get the bug and muse on the air about wanting to run for high, political office? >> i think that they see, you know, how easy it is and how doing a talk show. you show up, you recite talking points and you yell at your colleagues and the audience and that's it. they figure, you know, they need a bigger stage for this and that maybe there's an easier way to actually make a living than to actually, you know, have to show up -- >> no, no. much easier making a living in front of the television camera. >> i agree. >> but before you go, pete, you know, ed schultz at msnbc, chris matthews they didn't run and i think that's why, pete, in the end will spend more time with his microphone. >> i think you're right. jesse ventura and a guy named reagan who was an actor. if you can convert viewers to voters, maybe the guy has a shot, especially in new jersey.